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Heat pump

Discussion in 'Residential' started by pintofstout, Oct 27, 2017.

  1. Anita sannich

    Anita sannich Exceptionally average

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    Don't forget a bi-flow filter dryer, and CCH. Does it snow there? If so you'll need to get pump ups for the outdoor unit, should be 2ft above snow level.
     
  2. jpb2

    jpb2 Dog Tard *

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    Dual fuel is awesome. 5 ton is a large system. Make sure of 2 things. Consider 1 more.
    1. He really needs 5 tons
    2. Whatever he gets make sure it is ducted propperly.
    Consider multi stage equipment. Single stage even propperly sized will be oversized 90% of the time
     
  3. Rather B Riding

    Rather B Riding Behind bars

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    Working for a small res/comm company, the owner wanted to be a geothermal dealer. Sent a few of us to school and we were a WaterFurnace dealer. Those units have all the bells and whistles for high efficiency. The problem I saw was that you would need to get 25 years out of the systems with very little to no service calls on it to see the savings. Seems like a big pair of dice to roll. 4-5 times the cost up front and you wait 20 years to get your money back. As a service tech I've seen winners and losers. Bad fan motor after 20 years and no other issues winner. A leak in the loop after 4 years loser. Leaking coil, failed TXV, failed compressor. As a tech I saw more losers than winners. Let's face it equipment breaks down otherwise we would all be in sales and installation.
     
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  4. jpb2

    jpb2 Dog Tard *

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    Geo, in our area, is not a great investment for savings now that the tax breaks are gone. The math doesnt work unless utility costs increase dramatically each year. I agree the above statement as well. One major repair kills the savings but that is true with anything
     
  5. Catpower

    Catpower The Crowd Pleaser

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    One other reason to have gas backup is ice storms. We seem to have one every 5 years or so and with a gas house a 5-6 kw genset will run the whole shebang, but not the heat pump. When our power is off our 6 kw genset will keep us running like nothing has happened

    And as far as maintenance costs go, I would tell people up front there was a good chance that for every dollar they save on the electric bill or more could end up being paid to a service company to repair the system because of the extended run times

    But since he is your Bro, and family thinks we work for nothing go ahead and put it in:lachen::lachen:
     
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  6. Rather B Riding

    Rather B Riding Behind bars

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    My house had a HP with LP gas furnace and Nat was no available when I bought it. I replaced the equipment with the same. I just stepped up the furnace to a 2stage 90%. LP prices got high during Pres O. It is nice to save on gas in mild temps and I really saw the difference between a cold winter and a mild one. There's Nat available now and the system is 12 yo I don't know if I'll keep the HP or not after I change the house over to Nat.
     
  7. mike1020

    mike1020 entitled millennial

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    +1

    But like @Chuck said it might just be because they run way more
     
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  8. mike1020

    mike1020 entitled millennial

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    Now that you mention it, that may be the reason so many heat pump compressors die here.

    Most outdoor units here just sit on the ground or 4" pump ups and are probably partially buried in snow all winter, lol
     
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  9. Jon

    Jon Team Canada

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    Wtf is a pump up?
     
  10. Zman

    Zman Hanging by a Thread

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    Same around Here!
     
  11. Zman

    Zman Hanging by a Thread

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    Stupid looking round cylinder type supports for condenser units. Some pads have them built in. But they still look Goofy!
     
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  12. knave

    knave Undeterred

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    Pump up is to snow legs

    Like

    Dart is to cigarette, eh buddy?
     
  13. mike1020

    mike1020 entitled millennial

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    It's for a chainsaw

    ****in Canadians. I'm surprised you didn't know that.
     
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  14. mike1020

    mike1020 entitled millennial

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    You probably never learned how to cross check properly either
     
  15. Zman

    Zman Hanging by a Thread

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    I thought they were High Heel shoes that some Gals wear to make their caboose stand out!
     
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  16. Zman

    Zman Hanging by a Thread

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  17. Jon

    Jon Team Canada

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    Jon Team Canada

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  19. Jon

    Jon Team Canada

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  20. Jon

    Jon Team Canada

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