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YJ Brute II, Titan, or plain ole Series 41?

Discussion in 'Tools and Test Equip' started by Raymond Moreno Jr, Aug 5, 2017.

  1. Raymond Moreno Jr

    Raymond Moreno Jr New Member

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    Knave...both.

    I am new to the trade.

    I worked for about 2.5 weeks with my new company (installed about 6 entire systems with my team, and also did a bunch of duct installs/repairs), and then went to school. (Paid for by my company).

    Just graduated school, got my EPA Universal, studying for the NATE cert, and am going back into the field to work again. (But formally trained this time).

    Just a bit lost on some of the lingo y'all use. ;)
     
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  2. Texas-Tech

    Texas-Tech Official Geezer*

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    Hang in there bud, it just takes time. Everyone advances at their own speed. The internet is a huge benefit
     
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  3. Raymond Moreno Jr

    Raymond Moreno Jr New Member

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    I have the HVACR system down-pat.

    Just looking for the best equipment to purchase that meets my needs. (Residential installs).

    I like to read the tips and tricks HVAC folks use.

    I also like to read about the equipment folks use, and WHY they chose that piece of equipment. Sometimes it makes sense, and I learn something new. And sometimes even this newbie can tell they chose incorrectly, as their initial reasoning was flawed from the git-go. Ha ha ha.

    I love to think. And I am a total "tool guy". (Tim Allen has nothing on me). :)

    Just hanging around and asking equipment questions.

    Your suggestions - and experience - are helping me to make my decisions and choose my equipment.

    Thanks.
     
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    crackertech assholiness *

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    IMG_0443.PNG I use to work on these little compressors at my last job
     
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    mike1020 entitled millennial

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    Shrader cores removed, pulling a vacuum through the core removers with the hoses hooked directly to the vacuum pump.
     
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    mike1020 entitled millennial

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    That is awesome, Mike.

    I can see what you were talking about now.

    A picture is worth a million words.

    Kudos, brother!!!
     
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  8. MOFO the psychic gorilla

    MOFO the psychic gorilla sitting on two achers

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    If you use the same size and type hoses there is zero noticable difference with evac speed between a 41 and a titian. They share the same internal valves.

    No manifold and big hoses direct to the pump is the best way.
     
  9. Raymond Moreno Jr

    Raymond Moreno Jr New Member

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    Interesting.

    So the mesh on the Titan and the Brute II do not really slow anything down, huh? (I thought someone mentioned it did).

    One more question. How did you get all those extra hoses/fittings attached to the high/low pressure lines?

    How did you tap into those lines?

    Is there a way to pierce those lines with a tool or something?
     
  10. MOFO the psychic gorilla

    MOFO the psychic gorilla sitting on two achers

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    Mesh or no it takes a long ass time to pull a vacuum with 1/4" hoses.
    It's longed ass time vs long assed time.
     
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  11. frozensolid

    frozensolid Psychologist's Dream

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    The fastest and best way to get a vacuum is with pipe. Even 1/4 soft copper pulls real well. Direct from pump to system with nothing in between to cause restriction or pressure drop. Never have to worry about failing hoses or bad gaskets. Few do it in A/C except the chiller guys probably. In refer I never used hoses on anything bigger than a small cond unit. Because it is much more critical in systems that are boiling gas below freezing. There are hoses that claim they are vacuum safe. But in reality only pipe is 100% vacuum safe. And even that should be checked for pinholes from time to time.

    OK now I am ready for everyone to tell me I am wrong....
     
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  12. doc havoc

    doc havoc A cunning linguist

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    If you insist. You're wrong.:D
    However, I agree. Pipe IS better than a rubber hose.
     
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    I totally agree with you I never used hoses on racks always used 1-3/8 pipe and 3/8 and 1/4" soft copper to everything I could pull from.
     
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  14. frozensolid

    frozensolid Psychologist's Dream

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    If I remember correctly Hill/Phoenix racks came with a triple point evac port on the rack with ball valves to isolate.
     
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    crackertech assholiness *

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    Yep they are still that way
     
  16. Jon

    Jon Team Canada

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    Canada eh!
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  17. MOFO the psychic gorilla

    MOFO the psychic gorilla sitting on two achers

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    1/4" copper pulls better than 1/4" hoses mostly because most 1/4" hoses are only 3/16" ID ;)
     
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  18. frozensolid

    frozensolid Psychologist's Dream

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    and 1/4 copper is about .19 id unless you are a plumber that is. Just sayin... :)
     
  19. MOFO the psychic gorilla

    MOFO the psychic gorilla sitting on two achers

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    And Appion 1/4" hoses are a full 1/4" ID
    Would be willing to bet you could pull a lower vacuum faster with a full ¼" ID hose of equal length than ¼" copper but I got nothing to bet.
     
  20. frozensolid

    frozensolid Psychologist's Dream

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    You can suck what ever you want, with whatever you want, when ever you want. I don't care. But if you use all your valves and manifolds and fancy stuff yes the 1/4 will pull down faster. JMHO But I have been wrong before and to tell you the truth it ain't important enough to me to enter a pissing contest.